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Jan
What a wonderful story about the origins of the Clipper flying boats. I have seen some other articles that went into some depth on the planes themselves and the service that was offered and it was amazing......it sure would have been interesting to fly across the Atlantic in one.
And your model is just lovely, along with that beautiful box...very nice! Again, it appears that Dinky did a very good job of replicating with their model.

Terry

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Thank you Jan for this very interesting article.
It's really a beatiful Dinky !

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Wonderful model Jan, great story behind it too!
CW.

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Just received a new pre-war model for my Dinky collection....a very nice 23a Racing Car. I am certainly not an expert on this model, but have read the usual resources and found out that there were several versions. The earliest one, introduced in 1934, had the 4 stub exhaust pipes....2 on each side of the hood, and no driver. Around 1935, the second version was introduced, this having the more familiar 6 branch exhaust system on the left side of the hood, and exiting in the "fishtail" style pipe at the rear. A driver's head was also added, along with cast "roundals" to locate a painted racing number.
Another early indicator, according to "Dinky Toys and Modelled Miniatures", by Mike and Sue Richardson, was the open area directly behind the windscreen. As Dinky frequently did, this was a problem in casting, and was very soon filled in. Mine seems to have this open area, so from all of that I am dating it around 1935 or 1936. The condition I think is very good to excellent, with no fatigue showing anywere, and the white tires are very clean and hardly cracked. It must have sat in a box for a very long time.
Any other information or comments from those far more knowledgeable than I are welcomed!

Terry

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Hi Terry

Most of my Dinkys are currently boxed up and stored while works are ongoing in my flat, however I've just poked about among several trays of models and come across an example of what you describe. Alas, without your photos, I can't see whether it is the same as yours. If you have access to your example perhaps we could do a comparison?

My 23a has been stripped to bare metal as it had been hideously repainted but is, aside from the usual fracturing of the smooth wheels, in very good condition. It is the six-cylinder version, with thin axles crimped at both ends, and with the open windscreen casting in front of the driver's head. There are no raised circles for numbers or reinforcing webs across the body. 

I intend restoring it in an appropriate colour scheme but would like to be sure that it will be correct.

I've scrutinised all the 23/23a threads but don't see what I'm looking for. Can you, or any other member, help?

Kind regards

John

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Finally!

Here is a picture of the appropriate color scheme for your late prewar model.

brgds

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Thanks Walter! There is a trace of red paint left so I'm sure that it was originally that colour. Is the top colour cream or yellow - its hard to tell? It's a lovely colour scheme whichever colour it is.

John

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It's cream. 
Good luck.

Walter

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John and Walter. This example can be found with a clearer photo on Vectis auction lot 1163 dated 12-4-2018, as well as several images with the search term Dinky 23a. I hope it helps.

Jan Oldenhuis

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Thanks Jan.

I'm tempted to try a 'Humbug' colour scheme as I think the model is appropriate with its crimped axles. I doubt I'd ever find an affordable one. Perhaps based on Eyston's original design as opposed to Dinky's simplified version, using the prototypical colours. Then, at least, it couldn't be passed off as genuine. 

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Thanks Walter.

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Hi Terry

That racing car is a real beauty - what a find!!!

Dave

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Dave--
Thanks...it has only been the last few years that I finally decided to get a few of the pre-war Dinky models. In the past, I had focused almost 100% on pos-war up to about 1959 or so. I have discovered I really have a lot of fondness for many of the pre-war models; they have a charm all their own.
Terry

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One of my absolute pre-war favourites, the no. 23m 'Thunderbolt' Racing Car and its post-war descendant no. 23s Streamlined Racing Car:

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Jan--
I always liked that model also, and like many others, Dinky's pre--war version just has better detailing. The Union Jack on the tail fin just adds a nice touch that they should have kept. A very lovely model indeed, and thanks also for the nice picture of Capt. Eyston in the car.

Terry

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When I was a younger collector living in S. California, I did not even know about most of the pre-war models. I always liked the military models, so later on I discovered info on many of the earlier issues. One which captured my attention was the the Military Wagon, along with the Cooker Trailer and the Water tank trailer.
Several years ago I was finally able to find one from a dealer in England, so pictures of it are below. It seems that many of these seem to suffer from fatigue, as does mine. Fortunately, it seems to have stopped at a certain point and the models are not in danger of falling apart.
A wonderful pre-war issue full of early Dinky charm!
Terry

The Dinky Military Wagon #151b, the Cooker trailer #151c, and the Water Tanker trailer #151d

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I agree Terry, these are very special and interesting reflections of a dramatic period in history. That's why they fascinate me so much whenever I have them in my hands.

This is the no. 152 Royal Tank Corps Light Tank Set. Yours (which also includes the no. 151a Medium Tank) and the very big overall set (hard to come by in good condition and at an affordable price) are still missing in the collection.
Regards, Jan

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Just found the pictures of the others:

The 162 set box is authentic, but the contents is post-war. The original contents was in pieces ...

Regards, Jan

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Jan--
Absolutely beautiful sets you have there! And you are right, to me those are some of the most interesting and truly neat sets that Dinky ever made. The fact that they are several pieces and each so different, plus the fact that they are historical....all combines to make them oh so nice!
And your boxes appear to be so crisp and nice and bright, plus the vehicles appear to also be in very good condition. Here is the U.S., these are quite hard to come by and I hardly ever see them come up on most of the sites. I think the larger set you referred to is the "Mechanised Army" set, which I think combines all of the smaller ones. I think one came up several years ago on eBay and it was somewhere between $5,000-$10,000!
I wanted to ask you...since you live in Holland, are you able to find Dinky's in shops that sell them, or do you find them from private parties selling on websites? I am not aware of any shops that sell old toys here in S. California, so am pretty limited to eBay and other world wide sites. About 20 years ago there was a local swap meet once a month where buyers and sellers came and you could find some Dinky's there, but that is long gone. Just wondering what the experience is like in Europe compared to here.
Thanks again for showing those.....very nice!

Terry

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No, they are not that easy to find. It takes time and patience to find an example that is both good and reasonably priced. The international internet market would not make it more difficult for you to find items like these in the States than over here, I would presume. Admittedly, I found one locally, in an Amsterdam shop, which is an exception, also for the Netherlands, but the other ones on eBay Germany and eBay UK. One extremely cheap, the other rather expensive. Regards, Jan

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Hi Terry,

Here in the UK we still have a good number of Toyfairs, I trade at most of the one's within 100 miles of Birmingham. The Mega fairs (500 tables +) like the NEC are slowly squeezing out the small fairs with 30 or so traders. Problem is that a small trader like me needs to sell a LOT to cover the overheads of the bigger fairs, and there's so much competition that you can easily end up losing money.

There is a good selection of post war Dinky at all the fairs I go to, but Pre war hardly ever shows up except at the Mega Fairs with prices to match.

Ebay is still the best bet for Pre war over here, sadly, as I much prefer to hold a model in my hand before I buy it.

Chris Warr.

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Hi Gents,
I was very lucky to get another few pre wars last week, here they are,

This lot includes my first 24 Series, my first 22 Series, and my first ship, so I was very pleased. The green 22 Tourer now has a genuine axle with smooth hubs and white tyres fitted, so it sits a little better.

Chris Warr.

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Chris--
Nice that you were able to find all of those pre-war models....nice addition for your collection for sure!
And thank you and Jan for your comments back to me on model buying over in Europe. Here in S. California, we have never had many opportunities such as toy fairs or sales, and also, there is no network of collectors that I am aware of.
For many years I have considered this a fun, but lonely hobby, with no one to converse with or share info, that is until the internet came along, and at least we have international clubs and forums we can belong to and use.....but still no one I can drive to or visit with locally.
Several years ago I also remember there were also at least a few international toy dealers you could buy from,over the internet, as they had web pages. One I used to use some was "Burnett Diecasts"....they used to have a wonderful stock of vintage Dinky's....not inexpensive, but at least they had them for sale. I understand one of the partners passed away a while ago and they took the site down. I also used to buy from a French site back then....can't quite remember it, but something named "...Mary" I think. They had a lot of wonderful French Dinky's and I bought some from them. Also used to be a few U.S. dealers, such as Keith Harvie, who I still buy from occaisionly, but by and large, not as many places as a few years ago.

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I to enjoy the prewar period and like to think I have accumulated a reasonable collection of the models, trade and gift set boxes. I particular enjoy the reseach following a purchase to establish the age, history and any neighbouring numbers or models in a particular series.

Unfortunately the number of collectors is diminishing and living local to somebody with an equal interest is becoming much more rare.

Have not had the pleasure of meeting any of the experts but am truely looking forward to the opportunity and being able to soak up like a sponge some of their detailed knowlodge.

Have relized that new information is being found regularly and must be added to a central database, how would a collector contribute to the ever expanding information?

David

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Hi David

Jacques Dujardin is the man to whom you should look for an amazing database of Dinky information. If you have new information, just post it here. Also, many on here have a great deal of expertise and most questions can and will be answered, or discussed.

Fill yer boots!

John

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Hello David, why not attend the AGM in Peterborough next week Saturday? There you'll meet many fellow-enthusiasts.

By the way, Jacques intends to be there and so do I. Kind regards, Jan 

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Yes I will attend, just need to know where and when.

David

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